Killers I talked with Susanna Abbott about the skills and mindset required to move from being undone by life’s setbacks to making lemonade from them. People need to learn to use their feelings as a data source for sound decision making. In the news, there are a plethora of articles about clergy abuse of congregants. But Rev. Jackie O’Neal talked with us about the abuse of spiritual leaders by their flock. A clergyperson is forced out of the ministry every 6 minutes in the U.S.