What’s happening when everything feels like a struggle? Consider your organization could be naturally progressing from one stage of development to another. On this week’s show, I speak to Judy Sharken Simon of MAP for Nonprofits about her book, The Five Life Stages of Nonprofit Organizations: Where You Are, Where You’re Going, and What to Expect When You Get There. She wrote this oldie but goodie to help staff and boards understand how they fit into the natural cycle of nonprofit life and also, to help them prepare for the next stage. My second guest is Dr. Robert Manzer, the chief operating office of the Texas Association of Nonprofit Organizations (TANO). He describes a major capacity-building initiative focused on win-win internships for his members. He also describes what you need to do to ensure that interns do, indeed, build capacity in your organization.