Dr. Beth (www.drbetherickson.com) spoke with Robert Hayward (www.thethirteenthstep.com) about his being a drunk and a druggie from age of 14 on. That is, until he hit the proverbial bottom and decided to try a traditional Indian ceremony to rid himself of his addictions. And it worked! He is now a drug and alcohol counselor. His book is The Thirteenth Step.Then Dr. Beth took the second segment to organize, summarize and expand on the information from a previous segment and a teleseminar she did on losing a best friend.