FIND THE REASON FOR LIVING FOREVER
Special Guest: Roberta Grimes
In today¹s episode of Healing From Within your host Sheryl Glick author of
The Living Spirit a tale of awakening, spiritual communication, healing
and the truth of our being as well as a guide to Inner Soul Development is
most delighted to welcome back for a chance to discuss her new book
Roberta Grimes author of The Fun of Growing Forever. Previous interviews
with Roberta Grimes on her books The Fun of Dying and The Fun of Staying
In Touch may be heard on my website www.sherylglick.com
Roberta and Sheryl will share a greater understanding of the afterlife and
its implications for improving human development as their studies research
and their passion and need to share the truth of who we are and why we are
experiencing life in a physical reality is endless. All shows on Healing
From Within in one way or another share a remarkable view of our human and
energetic potential as we learn more about human nature and the universe
and find many ways to look within for self-investigation, self-reflection
and to discover how mastering our emotions thoughts and actions, and by
raising our vibration helps us create our most successful healthy life and
In today¹s episode Roberta Grimes a business attorney novelist and speaker
whose spiritual journey began with two extraordinary experiences of light
as a child has spent decades studying nearly 200 years of consistent
communications from the dead and other afterlife related evidence to
assemble an in depth understanding of who and what we are how reality
works the nature of God and the meaning and purpose of our lives
What afterlife researchers have discovered turns out to be a great deal
more than just the fact that human minds are eternal! Afterlife studies is
a genuine science that encompasses a consciousness-based reality many
times the size of this material universe. The physics of consciousness and
all its implications will so dominate the second half of this century that
eventually people will look back on today¹s benighted scientific beliefs
very much as we now look back on the practice of balancing humors by
bleeding the sick. Revelations to come over the next few decades are going
to change everything.
Perhaps the most important insight to flow from what the dead are telling
us through dedicated and highly educated mediums is that now, quite
unexpectedly, we have received the answer to humankind¹s oldest question.
At last we know why we are here! You came into this lifetime eager to
achieve the greatest possible spiritual growth. That is what the dead tell
us is the reason why we even are born. As best we have been able to
determine, it is the reason why the universe exists. And the fact that you
have not always known this is the greatest indictment of mainstream
science and organized religions that I can imagine.
As Roberta tells us, ³We all seek meaning in our lives, especially as we
move past the grubbing for money and status of our early years. And even
those who find earthly success soon discover that there is no end to those
struggles, no top to be found, no rat-race prize, so every thoughtful
person eventually sees that whatever success we might find on earth gives
us nothing more than toys whose luster is going to dim as our bodies fail.
No matter how rich and famous we become, we realize in the end that we
have never owned anything. The only thing that you and I can own is the
powers of our eternal minds, so achieving spiritual growth while on earth
is the best way to add to our permanent wealth.
Perhaps the notion of growing spiritually doesn¹t seem appealing to you
now. It sounds stuffy and churchy. Who needs that? Fine. Then let¹s call
it plainly what it is: spiritual growth means ever more perfect love. Most
of us would say that love feels good, but on Earth love is as ephemeral as
mist. Perhaps if you were aware that spiritual growth means feeling ever
more deeply in love all the time, with everyone and everything
forevermore, you might find the concept more attractive. Achieving
spiritual growth turns out to be the whole secret to human happiness.²
She goes on to say that ³No religion puts spiritual growth first.² One of
the reasons for that is that Jesus who inspired Christianity as the second
Abrahamic religion did not come to do that. Jesus was basically not
religious, but spiritual, and a modern teacher of the Afterlife Soul life
and concepts of Universal Love and Forgiveness as the way to know our soul
essence and bring heaven to earth..a Master Teacher perhaps, not a
religious one. Many Christians consider the entire Christian Bible to be
the Inspired Word of God. Having read it through a number of times,
Roberta feels she must tell you that she finds the Bible to be so
internally inconsistent and so full of culturally-biased and even
un-Christian advice that it seems presumptuous and insulting to pin it all
on God. It seems more accurate to say that the writers whose work was
assembled into the Christian Bible may have been inspired by God, but they
heard God through the filter of their primitive lives in the ancient world
so they could have garbled some of God¹s message. This would be
understandable and forgivable. But the fact that it might have happened
means that no serious researcher can use most of the Bible as a resource
when trying to understand a factual God.
The red letters of the Gospels are another matter. Thomas Jefferson said
that the words of Jesus stand out in the Bible like ³diamonds in a
dunghill,² and when you read the Bible through and reach the Gospels, you
can see what he meant. In a recent translation, Jesus sounds like a modern
man trying to educate primitives: you see him speaking simply and
patiently, saying things over and over to people who seem not really to
understand him. You even see his rising frustration, and his repeated
efforts to quell that frustration and say things over yet again, more
simply. Put aside the fact that Jesus¹ followers started in his name a
prominent and now widely fragmented religion. Just read the words of Jesus
without religious bias, and you find yourself sympathizing and liking him
as a wonderfully wise and good man you would enjoy having as your friend.
Reading his words without religious bias makes you wonder whether things
that he said might be found to be factually accurate.
Here is where our problems arise. If we don¹t want to indulge in the
magic-thinking notion that the whole Bible is the Inspired Word of God,
then we have to take into account how easily the teachings of Jesus could
have been distorted during the past two thousand years:
1. For Jesus to speak against the prevailing religion was a crime
punishable by death. He was trying to stay alive long enough to share what
he had come to teach, and he managed that feat for more than three years
by using some fascinating tricks. He would tell what sounded like innocent
stories, then say, ³He who has ears to hear, let him hear² (wink-wink) to
urge his followers to look for his deeper messages. He would give people
innocuous-sounding bits of information at various spots along the way,
knowing that the guards watching him would change, and hoping that his
faithful followers would be able to put those bits together.
2. Those who heard Jesus speak and passed his words along, and those who
eventually committed them to writing, seem not to have fully understood
what he was saying. It is possible that they inserted or altered words or
passages here and there to better support their own understandings. We
would be none the wiser.
3. Jesus¹ message could have been altered as it was translated into Greek
and then from Greek into English. Aramaic is so different from Greek that
direct translations from Aramaic to English are nearly unrecognizable by
people who are used to modern Bible versions. The fact that the Gospel
words of Jesus that have been translated twice still are so consistent
with the afterlife evidence is flat-out amazing to me.
4. We depend on the good will of those who were in control of the written
Gospels for two millennia. Here is where our trust is tested! There is
evidence that people eager to support their own religious doctrines edited
the Gospels over the years, which means that apparently words were put
into or taken out of Jesus¹ mouth.
Roberta goes on to tell us that the teachings of Jesus are a coherent
system that works to foster our spiritual growth and spiritual growth is
the reason a soul chooses to incarnate into a physical life. Jesus¹
teachings perhaps teach us ³What Universal Love Is Not² and therefore what
true spiritual awareness is.
The use of love to produce emotional highs is so seductive that some of
its manifestations may not be easy to spot, but here are the ones that
seem obvious to Roberta.
* Sex. Do I have to say it? The emotions associated with sex are the
classic upper and downer of drug use. They have nothing to do with genuine
* Romance. We know the feeling of being in love with someone as a
necessary bridge toward marriage, but that intense high of falling in love
cannot be for life, even if we marry happily. And if we never make it to a
permanent union, then falling in love has to end in the emotional crash of
falling back out of love.
* Marital love. The emotions of marriage after the honeymoon phase run a
daily gamut of highs and lows. As someone who has been married forever, I
don¹t consider the emotions engendered by a long-term marriage to be
especially high-energy; but on the other hand, once we begin to master
ultimate love, then marriage can be extraordinary.
* Parental Love. There is an intense protective feeling that binds mothers
and fathers to their offspring and can inspire parents to defend their
children with their lives without a second thought. Mercifully, that
feeling begins to wane as our children grow away from us; but then, of
course, come the grandchildren. I can testify that the most intense
emotional high known to humankind is that of a grandmother with her
grandchild in her arms. But, nope, this isn¹t ultimate love, either.
* Love for Pets. There are many people who would say that the greatest
love they ever have felt was for a dog or a cat or a rat. This kind of
love seems to be related most closely to parental love, but since it often
is used as a substitute for loving other human beings it does little to
advance our spiritual growth. Indeed, it might even get in the way.
* Friendship. Many of us have longtime friends whose lives feel like our
personal gift. The love I feel for close friends feels more like the
steady high of ultimate love, but it still is too dependent on the people
involved. Even the friendship kind of love can end badly.
* Patriotic Feeling. Whether we are talking about love for country, love
for gender, love for race, or love for groups and organizations, it is all
the same. That quicker beating and exultant lift of your heart that you
feel at the thought of your tribe is just more of the love-drug. It does
nothing to raise your spiritual vibration.
While none of these lesser kinds of love can meaningfully raise us
spiritually, they are nonetheless important and useful. Experiencing even
transient and imperfect love can help us to know how love feels, and it
can open our hearts and prepare us to embrace the perfect love that is who
we really are.
We may better understand Universal or ultimate Love even if you are not a
Christian, and the easiest way for you to begin to envision spiritually
transformative love is to put yourself into the mind of Jesus as he is
being crucified. No matter what you think might be the reason why Jesus
chose crucifixion, focus here just on the three different kinds of love
that he must have been feeling: € His love for humankind was universal.
Modern evidence suggests that what went through the mind of Jesus as he
lay down on the cross was that his suffering a public death and then his
rising from the dead would be his best way to teach the fact that human
life is eternal.
On the other hand, many Christians believe that Jesus died for your sins.
Either way, we can agree on the fact that as he willingly submitted to
crucifixion his mind was full of nothing but his perfect love for all of
humankind. € His love for the fools who were hammering the nails filled
his heart even as the hammering went on. He said, ³Father, forgive them;
for they do not know what they are doing² (LK 23:34).
When you have achieved Jesus¹ level of forgiveness and love, then your own
thoughts, too, will be filled with warm compassion for those who might be
doing you harm. As Jesus says, ³I say to you, love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is
in heaven² (MT 5:44).
€ Once on the cross, his concern was for those whose own fear and
suffering filled his awareness. He asked his friend, John, and his
grieving mother to love and care for one another, and he was solicitous of
the criminals who were being crucified with him. When one of them said to
him, ³Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom!² Jesus didn¹t ask
the man what his crime had been or warn him that he was about to be
judged. Instead, he felt only love and compassion as he said, ³Truly I say
to you, today you shall be with me in Paradise² (LK 23:4243).
Roberta tells us that the teachings of Jesus are the easiest most
effective method for achieving rapid spiritual growth and believes it is
tragic that more Christians aren¹t following the teachings of Jesus?
Roberta writes, ³The course I am recommending to you is not the only one
that you might choose, but I think it is the easiest to follow and
probably the most effective. These teachings are a philosophy based in
your own essential energetic soul nature, and they work not by teaching
you anything new, but rather by helping you remember who you are. Few
Christians follow the teachings of Jesus. They see them as optional in
view of the fact that they believe Jesus was born to die for our sins.
Indeed, many Christians have paid so little attention to the Gospel
teachings that they have sullied the name of Jesus by the way they have
treated other people. Please understand that their behavior has nothing to
do with the genuine Jesus! But if reading his name here bothers you,
simply obscure the Biblical references and turn his words into nothing
more than proven wisdom that has no source. It never is too late to begin!
Give yourself the gift of spiritual growth, make the very most that you
can of your life, and together we will transform the world. Sheryl who has
felt Jesus as he stands by her in meditation and in challenging times as
she practices energy healing writes the same message that Roberta is
offering to you here that Jesus still offers his love and hopes to all who
simply have not been able to hear the message in their heart and to honor
in Unity and Oneness the beauty of All and the love that we are.
Some of the key teachings of Jesus raise our vibration taking us from
states of fear anger negativity and self-doubt to levels of love
compassion bliss and divine awareness.
One of the main teachings of Jesus is to love yourself as you love your
neighbors and forgive all that you or others do Š By understanding how
Universal Forgiveness works
We can see how practicing Universal Forgiveness help us on many levels.
* Practicing universal forgiveness retrains your mind. By giving yourself
the conditioning of immediate, forceful action against negative emotions,
you seem to be teaching your mind not to bother with emotions you refuse
to court. Your mind finds an easier route forward, and your ongoing
insistence on always pushing anger away reinforces your mind¹s new route
until it has made peacefulness its habit. If you let yourself really
indulge in anger or crankiness or raging grief, then your mind will give
you more of these emotions; but if you refuse to court negativity, your
mind turns out to be sufficiently lazy that it will stop reacting once it
realizes that reacting will be a waste of its energy.
* Practicing Universal Forgiveness seems to be a powerful antidote to
fear. Fear is the most negative emotion of all, the energetic opposite of
love, and what seems to be the case is that when you are squashing various
other negative emotions, your mind stops responding with fear as well.
* Practicing Universal Forgiveness raises your happiness set-point.
Feeling much more peaceful inside, and with negative emotions never
troubling you now, you should find that you like being yourself much
better than you ever have before.
* Universal forgiveness dramatically improves your interactions with other
people. For most of my life, I had a close friend or two. I didn¹t even
really like people. But once I had mastered universal forgiveness, I found
that everyone I met was nicer! That everyone on earth is more wonderful
just because I have learned how to forgive is a source of ongoing
amazement to me. And I should add that my husband went from being
sometimes so unpleasant that I used to think about leaving him to becoming
at once the most kindly, dear, and loving man on the face of the earth.
After forty-four years, unexpectedly my forgiveness practice has
transformed my relationship with him as well.
Roberta shows us how learning about Gratitude and Forgiveness and
practicing it improves our lives and in learning this we are not really
learning anything new. Roberta claims that we cannot even love in a way
that transforms us spiritually until we have learned Universal
Forgiveness, but once we are forgiving at that level, then love comes as
naturally to us as breathing. She tells us that it is this automatic,
instinctive love for each person on the face of the earth that truly
raises us spiritually.
In my view, our whole wellbeing is dependent on our expressing love. It is
not about what comes back; it is about what goes out! Love is a force more
formidable than any other. It is powerful enough to transform you in a
moment, and it offers you more joy than any material possessions ever
could. As Albert Einstein said, ³The world as we have created it is a
process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our
thinking.² Ultimately our salvation comes when we begin to think more
loving thoughts‹ thoughts that transcend fear. Since everything you want
in life lies on the other side of fear, and nothing is going to change
until you change, now is the time to transform your life and as you do,
you also begin for all the world the long delayed advent of universal
love, kindness and perpetual peace. One individual can begin a movement
that turns the tide of history. Martin Luther King in the civil rights
movement, Mohandas Gandhi in India, and Nelson Mandela in South Africa are
examples of people standing up with courage and non-violence to bring
about needed changes.
Roberta Grimes is telling us now that the transformation that has become
essential to the future of humankind was begun two thousand years ago by
the greatest individual of them all. And now it is up to each of us to
stand up and embody that transformation. The future of the world is up to
us. The path is clear; we just need to walk it.
Sheryl saysŠ.In my book The Living Spirit I who have felt Jesus in
meditation and have cried when He said I cry with you for the injustices
of the worldŠwrote this as I discovered our human need to truly understand
how we may grow spiritually as Jesus tried to showŠ. Sheryl wrote, ²Each
human being builds through unity and purpose of experiences, an
indivisible ONENESS of the finest aspects of divine blessings, which are
love, humility, forgiveness and the generosity of merging ourselves with
all that is. The purpose must be to prepare and refine our souls through
our choices made in our physical lives for an eternal soul life worthy of
In meditation and connection to Spirit Roberta tells us what the dead have
to say about religion.
There is almost no religion practiced in the afterlife levels. I hedge
this statement only because a few might sing hymns for nostalgia¹s sake.
And those who have died too certain about their afterlife beliefs can find
that their powerful minds have put them into illusory heavens that look
like what they expected to find, but from which they will later have to be
rescued. But just as there are no atheists in heaven, so also there are no
religionists. People don¹t need faith when they live in certainty. Jesus
is much more important in the afterlife levels than he is here. They call
him the Master. And he is everywhere, teaching and comforting and visiting
the children¹s villages. He is a powerful spiritual center, loved and
revered more than you can imagine. The Buddha also is sometimes reported,
but he is not seen as comparable to Jesus. In fact, there is some evidence
that the Master may be the most advanced being in every dimension and in
every universe. He is above all.
Roberta tells us a few words about God. It is ironic that advocates of
scientific inquiry and advocates of religious worship have battled one
another for centuries about which view of reality will prevail, when in
truth neither of them has it right. The human-like Christian God that
feels anger and jealousy does not exist. Instead, the only thing that
exists is an infinitely loving Power that continuously gives rise to
everything else, which means that scientists who still want to think that
reality is random are off-track, too. Indeed, scientific inquiry has been
in the weeds for all the hundred years since Max Planck first realized
that consciousness is primary.
Some of the problems with religion are the complete lack of personal
communication allowed or encouraged and the need to respond to God within
the community and the rules of past cultures and laws. So religion if it
doesn¹t evolve allows for stagnation, misinformation, rigidity and the
control of many by a few. This is not what Roberta and Sheryl believe is
the spiritual growth that a soul needs. SEPARATION LIMITATION AND
MISCOMMUNICATION are some of the problems all religions or structures
have. If you look at some of the quotes below you see the striving of
man¹s soul to know himself, life, and love in a more eternal and truthful
³Some men see things as they are and say, why; I dream things that never
were and say, why not.² ‹Robert F. Kennedy, U.S. Senator (19251968)
³We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.²
‹Martin Luther King, Jr., winner of the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize (19291968)
³I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the
starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and
brotherhood can never become a reality . . . I believe that unarmed truth
and unconditional love will have the final word.² ‹Martin Luther King,
Jr., winner of the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize (19291968)
³A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart.² ‹Johann Wolfgang
von Goethe, German writer and statesman (17491832)
³You must be the change you wish to see in the world.² ‹Mahatma Gandhi,
Indian leader and mystic (18691948)
Probably one of the most important questions answered in this interview
are about what the dead say about the future on this planet. Human
civilization is on a course to disaster. Those we used to think were dead
are telling us that unless we act now, in two hundred years a war will
begin that will make this planet unlivable. On the other hand, if
sufficient people begin now to develop spiritually, our future in two
hundred years will be a literal heaven on earth. They present our
alternatives as just that stark. Of course, some who are reading these
words will shrug. In two hundred years we¹ll all be dead! But those who
are dead now tell us that our downward course over two hundred years will
be an awful acceleration of the troubling trends that we see around us
now. So for people who care about the grandchildren that our own
grandchildren will hold in their arms, the stakes in this could not be
Sheryl says since her spiritual remembrance began some 25 years ago the
words Heaven on Earth have resonated in her soul and she has tried to
learn and share as much as she could to fuel this time and place in
history to bring about an understanding of who we are and how wonderful
life could be if we lived according to the Universal Laws of Energy and
Eternal life. It is not in the doing but in the receiving and sharing of
love and good intention and will that is the only hope for these troubled
times. Instead of taking give, instead of opinions be open to new ideas
and ways, instead of belittling others who may be different allow accept
and surrender to a bigger reality and let go of nonsense smallness and
ineffective ways to express your inner world love. Think and act in
selfless ways and we may still save this beautiful planet.
Roberta would wish readers to take away with them after reading The Fun of
Growing Forever how extraordinary it is that we have the two
thousand-year-old words of someone who claimed to understand reality, and
to know what happens when we die. Now add the fact that most of what Jesus
says in the Gospels is consistent with what we can only now deduce from
afterlife evidence and cutting-edge science. This gives us some amazing
validations of both the teachings of Jesus and the modern evidence! Such
an extensive coincidence is so unlikely as to be for practical purposes
impossible. Yet if you share my wonder and delight at finding how well the
words of Jesus fit the evidence, I have to remind you that the odds are
long against our having available to us exactly what he said.
In summarizing today¹s episode of Healing From Within Roberta and I who
have spent a good part of our lives exploring the true nature of physical
and energetic life in order to answer questions about why a soul who is
unlimited in expansion beyond this physical reality would choose a
limiting life and in finding the answers to that question we have found
freedom to live and freedom to change and expand. Nothing could be greater
or more wonderful than that truth.
The truth that Roberta and I have been privileged to learn and share is
what He Taught Us About God:
Jesus told us the fundamental fact that God is loving Spirit, and each of
us is part of God. This was radical stuff in ancient times, when most
people worshiped semi-physical gods who were more like the Old Testament¹s
Jehovah, often vengeful and hard to placate.
³God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.²
³The kingdom of God is within you.²
Roberta and I would have you work on finding your many spiritual gifts of
Universal Love and forgiveness to transcend your physical fears and limits
and transform yourself into the divine soul you have always been. Please
bring heaven to your life and to our planet and do not engage the
conflicting messages of many who still do not appreciate life as it is.
Stand in alignment to truth and your personal growth and we will
positively affect those both here in physical life and those in Spirit
with this sense of eternal reality.Guest: Roberta Grimes.